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	<title>Comments on: Samuel the Prophet and the Mountain Meadows Massacre</title>
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		<title>By: Mark D.</title>
		<link>http://abev.wordpress.com/2007/05/14/samuel-and-mmm/#comment-9612</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 05:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think there is some considerable danger that the Amalekite account is an &lt;em&gt;ex post facto&lt;/em&gt; justification of a horrible crime.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is some considerable danger that the Amalekite account is an <em>ex post facto</em> justification of a horrible crime.</p>
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		<title>By: Neal Davis</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 03:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John---

Some excellent points.  Hellmut does correctly point out that we can&#039;t assume the infallibility of scripture (it is, after all, written by men), but we know that God&#039;s ways are not ours, and that what is good and true may seem cruel at the time, or long afterwards.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John&#8212;</p>
<p>Some excellent points.  Hellmut does correctly point out that we can&#8217;t assume the infallibility of scripture (it is, after all, written by men), but we know that God&#8217;s ways are not ours, and that what is good and true may seem cruel at the time, or long afterwards.</p>
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		<title>By: Franz</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Franz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 06:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i was shock when i watched the movie September Dawn. i know that, that movie isn&#039;t portraying good things. im happy to read this article]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i was shock when i watched the movie September Dawn. i know that, that movie isn&#8217;t portraying good things. im happy to read this article</p>
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		<title>By: Hellmut</title>
		<link>http://abev.wordpress.com/2007/05/14/samuel-and-mmm/#comment-5674</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because the Old Testament contains passages endorsing cruelty, Protestants like to talk about the old and the new covenant.  Hence a Protestant critique might want to reply that Samuel was justified under the old covenant.  Since Brigham Young was subject to the new covenant, the Mountain Meadow Massacre was not justified if one takes the Protestant view.

Since I noticed the exhortation to love our enemies not only in the Sermon of the Mount but also in Leviticus 3, I have concluded that the old and new covenant simply do not work.  It is merely self-serving and arrogant Christian propaganda. 

Rather, I consider it dangerous to accept every line in scripture as the word of God.  Of course, I have no way of knowing what is from God and what isn&#039;t but I do think that one can reasonably determine human interests behind some biblical passages.

For example, the claim that David slew Goliath is Davidian propaganda.  The story of Lot&#039;s incestuous rape is a convenient justification for Hebrew domination of Israel&#039;s neighbors.

With respect to Samuel&#039;s genocidal instructions, I am led to wonder what it would say about God if we accepted them as a divine obligation.  Ultimately, blaming Samuel is less sacrilegious  than attributing the responsibility for mass murder to God.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because the Old Testament contains passages endorsing cruelty, Protestants like to talk about the old and the new covenant.  Hence a Protestant critique might want to reply that Samuel was justified under the old covenant.  Since Brigham Young was subject to the new covenant, the Mountain Meadow Massacre was not justified if one takes the Protestant view.</p>
<p>Since I noticed the exhortation to love our enemies not only in the Sermon of the Mount but also in Leviticus 3, I have concluded that the old and new covenant simply do not work.  It is merely self-serving and arrogant Christian propaganda. </p>
<p>Rather, I consider it dangerous to accept every line in scripture as the word of God.  Of course, I have no way of knowing what is from God and what isn&#8217;t but I do think that one can reasonably determine human interests behind some biblical passages.</p>
<p>For example, the claim that David slew Goliath is Davidian propaganda.  The story of Lot&#8217;s incestuous rape is a convenient justification for Hebrew domination of Israel&#8217;s neighbors.</p>
<p>With respect to Samuel&#8217;s genocidal instructions, I am led to wonder what it would say about God if we accepted them as a divine obligation.  Ultimately, blaming Samuel is less sacrilegious  than attributing the responsibility for mass murder to God.</p>
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		<title>By: john f.</title>
		<link>http://abev.wordpress.com/2007/05/14/samuel-and-mmm/#comment-4136</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[john f.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 19:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, I would have liked that too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I would have liked that too.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://abev.wordpress.com/2007/05/14/samuel-and-mmm/#comment-4135</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 19:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent post, John.  

On a side note, I really would have liked to have heard more in &quot;The Mormons&quot; from Will Bagley regarding what specific evidence he relies upon to conclude that Brigham ordered the massacre.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post, John.  </p>
<p>On a side note, I really would have liked to have heard more in &#8220;The Mormons&#8221; from Will Bagley regarding what specific evidence he relies upon to conclude that Brigham ordered the massacre.</p>
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