Land of Milk and Gasoline

Gas is cheaper than milk in Phoenix.

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7 Responses to Land of Milk and Gasoline

  1. cantinflas says:

    Isn’t that typically true? I live in Mesa and remember thinking years ago that I was glad not to be paying milk prices for gasoline.

  2. john f. says:

    I’m not sure to be honest. It seems to me that in the past that was the case but that in the last five years, gas has been more expensive than milk when it has hovered around $3/gallon, with milk staying in the $2.50-$2.90/gallon range.

    In England, gas is far more expensive than milk. That’s the way it should be, don’t you think? Gas is a non-renewable resource and milk is largely a renewable resource.

    It would be impossible to live in Phoenix without a car. The city is simply not constructed/developed in such a way as to allow a common solution to transportation issues. The most environmentally conscious can live in the old neighborhoods close to downtown or midtown and be in close physical proximity to their offices — but even then the bus commute is a nightmare. The rest simply have to have a car to commute. The urban sprawl and huge distances destroy any possibility of a city not entirely dependent on the use of automobiles. And yet, the city’s remote and precarious location in the middle of deep desert and far from water and other resources promise true hardship should the current “infrastructure” (if it can be called that) of gas reliance collapse. See Mad Max.

  3. john f. says:

    (By contrast, milk prices in the supermarket in Mesa yesterday were around $4.09/gallon.)

  4. Milk has been somewhat more expensive than gas in the Bay Area over the last several years, and it’s the same in Chicagoland — but the difference isn’t big. Given the amount of petroleum that goes into milk production, I can’t see a clear-cut argument for why one or the other should be cheaper. (Petroleum is intensively used to create the fertilizer that makes the corn that most US cows are fed to produce milk with.)

    If you want to find gas that’s much, much cheaper than milk, go to Venezuela.

    When we move to a new energy regime, will Phoenix be sustainable? There are actually multiple parts to that question: commuting, shipping resources, and last but not least air conditioning. All of it’s going to depend on how plentiful and expensive our next energy sources turn out to be. If the world goes nuclear, then Phoenix will be fine — unless it becomes the waste dump, in which case it’s toast. If we choose one of the cleaner and safer alternatives, living in Phoenix may become incredibly expensive…

  5. a random John says:

    Phoenix is well positioned to have plentiful solar energy. The question is how cheap it will be.

    John, you should try moving to Hawaii, with milk well above $6 a gallon and I can assure you that the supermarkets have a margin of zero on it.

    I’m also curious as to why gas should be more expensive than milk in your view. Isn’t gas artificially expensive in the UK?

  6. Ronald says:

    Anchorage, Alaska prices: Regular Unleaded fuel $2.929 to $2.979/gallon
    Whole, 2%, 1% or Fat Free Safeway Brand Milk: $3.50/gallon
    Matanusak Maid (Alaska-produced) 2% Milk: $6.49/gallon

  7. john f. says:

    I think that (in a cosmic sense) gas should be more expensive than milk because it is a non-renewable resource and its exploitation and consumption is destructive to the natural environment.

    As for Phoenix, my sense is that as we move to a new energy regime, Phoenix will not be sustainable. It is already precariously positioned as it is with our access to cheap gas and our environmental negligence — in the summer of 2003, for example, a simple pipeline break or malfunction caused gas prices to soar and people to panic, spending hours in line at gas stations that ran out of fuel very quickly.

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