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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://abev.wordpress.com/2010/03/10/winds-of-change-at-jrcls/#comment-9843</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 13:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps, although I notice that the writing competition was initiated and funded by the D.C. JRCLS chapter for the past few years, and probably represents the interests of that chapter or its members more accurately than the larger JRCLS. But they put it on the main JRCLS website, so there is at least some tacit approval.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps, although I notice that the writing competition was initiated and funded by the D.C. JRCLS chapter for the past few years, and probably represents the interests of that chapter or its members more accurately than the larger JRCLS. But they put it on the main JRCLS website, so there is at least some tacit approval.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane B.</title>
		<link>http://abev.wordpress.com/2010/03/10/winds-of-change-at-jrcls/#comment-9839</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Diane B.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 03:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And JRCLS is also putting their scholarship money where their mouth is: http://www.law2.byu.edu/news/file/Religious%20Freedom%20Writing%20Competition%2020100315.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And JRCLS is also putting their scholarship money where their mouth is: <a href="http://www.law2.byu.edu/news/file/Religious%20Freedom%20Writing%20Competition%2020100315.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.law2.byu.edu/news/file/Religious%20Freedom%20Writing%20Competition%2020100315.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Karen H.</title>
		<link>http://abev.wordpress.com/2010/03/10/winds-of-change-at-jrcls/#comment-9827</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karen H.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jordan, good post, and John F., very thoughtful response.  We do not do ourselves any favors by conflating the ideas of &quot;social unpopularity&quot; with &quot;government repression.&quot;  Both are problems, but when correctly identified call for very different responses.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jordan, good post, and John F., very thoughtful response.  We do not do ourselves any favors by conflating the ideas of &#8220;social unpopularity&#8221; with &#8220;government repression.&#8221;  Both are problems, but when correctly identified call for very different responses.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark D.</title>
		<link>http://abev.wordpress.com/2010/03/10/winds-of-change-at-jrcls/#comment-9823</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 04:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No doubt we would do better if we erased the names of everyone over fifty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No doubt we would do better if we erased the names of everyone over fifty.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve EM</title>
		<link>http://abev.wordpress.com/2010/03/10/winds-of-change-at-jrcls/#comment-9822</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve EM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 02:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A name change would help.  JRC was an anachronistic mid twentieth century segregationist that IMHO is best forgotten.   And I’m very conservative politically.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A name change would help.  JRC was an anachronistic mid twentieth century segregationist that IMHO is best forgotten.   And I’m very conservative politically.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan F.</title>
		<link>http://abev.wordpress.com/2010/03/10/winds-of-change-at-jrcls/#comment-9815</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jordan F.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hence my concern at what might be the &quot;winds of change&quot; at JRCLS.  At Michigan, where I attended law school, we had a &quot;federalist society&quot; and a JRCLS chapter.  We were just having limited success near the end of my time at Michigan convincing our LDS classmates who leaned liberal (or, let&#039;s face it, were total left wing radical flaming libs... ;)) that the JRCLS was not just a mormon version of the Federalist Society.  Some of the discussion at this last conference may make that line less clear.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hence my concern at what might be the &#8220;winds of change&#8221; at JRCLS.  At Michigan, where I attended law school, we had a &#8220;federalist society&#8221; and a JRCLS chapter.  We were just having limited success near the end of my time at Michigan convincing our LDS classmates who leaned liberal (or, let&#8217;s face it, were total left wing radical flaming libs&#8230; <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) that the JRCLS was not just a mormon version of the Federalist Society.  Some of the discussion at this last conference may make that line less clear.</p>
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		<title>By: gst</title>
		<link>http://abev.wordpress.com/2010/03/10/winds-of-change-at-jrcls/#comment-9814</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Tim&#039;s concern is valid.  Do we no longer need to commune with our lefty Mormon lawyer friends?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Tim&#8217;s concern is valid.  Do we no longer need to commune with our lefty Mormon lawyer friends?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 10:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are 8 LDS members at my small Midwestern law school, and a couple of us are discussing starting a branch of the JRCLS.  I&#039;m not really certain of the politics of everyone in the group, but at least a couple of us are Democrats.  We already have a federalist society at the school (one of the LDS members is involved in that too).  A move towards the political right is a turn-off to some of us, and is a definite factor when we consider whether or not to start up a branch.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are 8 LDS members at my small Midwestern law school, and a couple of us are discussing starting a branch of the JRCLS.  I&#8217;m not really certain of the politics of everyone in the group, but at least a couple of us are Democrats.  We already have a federalist society at the school (one of the LDS members is involved in that too).  A move towards the political right is a turn-off to some of us, and is a definite factor when we consider whether or not to start up a branch.</p>
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		<title>By: john f.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[john f.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hate to say it but the arguments that we are hearing lately about religion being under attack or having no place in the public sphere seem to be aimed at people who objected to the Church&#039;s involvement in the Prop 8 issue and who voiced their objection, as is their right as citizens.

It is shameful if some people were pressured into quitting their jobs after Prop 8 because of their religion. But this type of a grassroots groundswell against the Church in reaction to its efforts in California relating to Prop 8 is not the same as a government restricting the Church&#039;s free exercise rights.

As to religion having a place in the public sphere, one advantage the United States has over a country with a very strict separation of Church and state like France is that the American polity can indeed accommodate religious expression and viewpoints better. However, no one benefits more from a strict separation of Church and state than Latter-day Saints, especially in countries that view the Church as basically a dangerous cult (like Belgium, for example). The separation of Church and state, even strictly enforced, actually also benefits the Church in the United States as well. Without it, there is nothing preventing Missouri circa 1838 from happening again, especially in situations where the Church injects itself so straightforwardly into the political process as has been the case in the Prop 8 situation. Grassroots reactions against the Church&#039;s actions were foreseeable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to say it but the arguments that we are hearing lately about religion being under attack or having no place in the public sphere seem to be aimed at people who objected to the Church&#8217;s involvement in the Prop 8 issue and who voiced their objection, as is their right as citizens.</p>
<p>It is shameful if some people were pressured into quitting their jobs after Prop 8 because of their religion. But this type of a grassroots groundswell against the Church in reaction to its efforts in California relating to Prop 8 is not the same as a government restricting the Church&#8217;s free exercise rights.</p>
<p>As to religion having a place in the public sphere, one advantage the United States has over a country with a very strict separation of Church and state like France is that the American polity can indeed accommodate religious expression and viewpoints better. However, no one benefits more from a strict separation of Church and state than Latter-day Saints, especially in countries that view the Church as basically a dangerous cult (like Belgium, for example). The separation of Church and state, even strictly enforced, actually also benefits the Church in the United States as well. Without it, there is nothing preventing Missouri circa 1838 from happening again, especially in situations where the Church injects itself so straightforwardly into the political process as has been the case in the Prop 8 situation. Grassroots reactions against the Church&#8217;s actions were foreseeable.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordan F.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jordan F.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 02:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Patricia:

Perhaps you are speaking to others, like my brother, John, but I don&#039;t think I actually attacked the idea that religious liberties are &quot;under attack,&quot;  just the wisdom of mobilizing the JRCLS to fight it politically.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patricia:</p>
<p>Perhaps you are speaking to others, like my brother, John, but I don&#8217;t think I actually attacked the idea that religious liberties are &#8220;under attack,&#8221;  just the wisdom of mobilizing the JRCLS to fight it politically.</p>
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