Just a few hours away from casting my vote, and I’m still undecided.

Can I really sacrifice the babies just to make France happy? (I.e. put aside my very strong moral disgust at our infant holocaust in this country in the interest of a more measured and multilateral foreign policy?)

Conversely, can I really justify continuing an alienating foreign policy just to save what the abortionists consider mere “reproductive matter” with no more ontological significance than feces? (I.e. put aside my discomfort with unilateral use of power and an alienating foreign policy in the interest of saving something that many, including those who kill it, don’t even consider human?)

My dilemma. (Allison is still struggling with this decision too.)

On a side note, Marianne, our three year-old daughter, has announced that we should vote for . . . . Christmas! When pressed, though, as between George Bush and John Kerry, she chose John Kerry (however, this might have to do with the fact that we said Kerry’s name after Bush and with the fact that her dad’s name is John). . . .

Anyway, I consider myself an informed voter (I should be after the many hours spent reading the media in several different languages and on the blogs), but it isn’t helping me make what is becoming an existential moral decision between two ideas of America (both of which have some attraction, but neither of which comes close to my ideal–a millenial government in which Christ himself reigns as King and the Saints live in Zion).

8 Responses to Indecision

  1. Anonymous says:

    Don’t harangue and harrah any longer. Quit the intellectual gymnastics and go vote for the person we both think should win this thing. ;) 

    Posted by Jordan

  2. Anonymous says:


    As much as abortion seems like something we are stuck with (Roe v Wade is simply here to stay) I’m not sure that there is much we can do about our foreigtn policy either. The revelation by the Deulfer report that both France and Russia were accepting bribes from Saddam in exchange for their opposition to the U.S. in the UN made the likelyhood that we would have ever received the kind of multilateral support that you would like practically nil. One of Germany’s largest newspapers endorsed Bush because they don’t want to lend the kind of support Kerry wants from them.

    You need to find a third or even a fourth issue to help you decide.

    The next president will probably appoint at least one and maybe three judges to the Supreme Court. The judges he chooses will have a long lasting and far reaching effect on our whole nation. Which candidate do you want to choose judges?

    What about school choice or general education reform? What about healthcare and social security?

    Perhaps looking at some of these other issues will help you to lean one way or the other. 

    Posted by Ebenezer

  3. Anonymous says:

    My main reason for any vacillation has been the fact that my wife is much more open to the possibility of voting for Kerry than I am. My vacillation was more between voting for Bush or not voting at all (though I’d show up and maybe check off some kind of box or at least go through the motions).

    But I think I’m leaning towards actually voting. And let me just say that for sure I will not vote for Kerry. 

    Posted by danithew

  4. Anonymous says:

    Danithew, you should definitely vote, even if it means voting for Kerry. We want to keep civic republicanism alive, since it is the life-blood of this democratic Republic. Definitely cast your vote. Besides, there are a lot more things to vote about on today’s ballot than just the Pres. of the U.S.–state and local gov’t and ballot issues, both on the state and county level, plus judges, so go to your precinct!

    BTW, I liked your idea of seeing a movie or something. I would suggest Saints and Soldiers–it is still playing at South Towne. . . . 

    Posted by Anonymous

  5. Anonymous says:

    Danithew, in case you didn’t notice, that last comment was by me. 

    Posted by john fowles

  6. Anonymous says:


    Check out T&S blogger Gordon Smith’s post that was linked by Instapundit today, and read the comments too. Being in a swing state sure has an interesting affect on voting decisions. 

    Posted by Ebenezer

  7. Anonymous says:

    “it isn’t helping me make what is becoming an existential moral decision between two ideas of America (both of which have some attraction, but neither of which comes close to my ideal–a millenial government in which Christ himself reigns as King and the Saints live in Zion).”

    See, here’s the crux of the problem, to my mind. I used to be an extreme liberal before I joined the Church in 1978, but moderated my opinions seriously to the right as I listened to the words of the Prophets. I wanted, as a Christian, for us to create a social utopia, since that sounds like what Christ would have wanted. But that utopia can only be established upon righteousness, not by a secular government. Until Christ returns, or the Prophet says otherwise, we seem to be stuck with secular government. And the social utopian view is basically socialism/communism (which I saw failing firsthand in Canada for two years), which several of the Brethren have spoken of as the adversary’s substitute for Zion. I believe in Zion, but I cannot believe in a socialist utopia; the attempts at it are not working, and I do not believe they can work. Long live the President!

    Posted by Peggy Snow Cahill

  8. Anonymous says:


    I’m still interested in going to see a movie as well. And Saints and Soldiers sounds great except that right now my wife and I have Ray at the top of our list. We’re big R&B fans (among other things) and have been waiting for this movie to come out for some time. I’m not sure if we’ll make it to see Saints and Soldiers in a timely manner but let’s keep our minds open and when the right opportunity comes, we’ll pounce on it.

    Heck, if necessary, don’t wait for me! :) 

    Posted by danithew–>

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